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Ode to XPP

Laurie Hagar

Hello XPP friends and family!

As some of you know, I was separated from SDL 9 months ago. In my new role, I have had to go to the dark side, and am using InDesign. While InDesign is perfectly fine software, it's not XPP! Oh, how I wish I had XPP. Once you've experienced what XPP can do (and this is in regard to the automated and repeated page layouts that most of us produce), nothing else is truly acceptable. It's often said, and I have said it myself, that XPP has a steep learning curve, but I have come to the conclusion that InDesign and other powerful desktop software has a similar learning curve, just different. I have probably spent close to the equivalent of a week of XPP training doing online searches and tests to achieve some of the effects we probably take for granted in XPP. Some just can't be done. For instance, all that you can do with pickups, running heads and text registers, table formats, numbering, page numbers and keeps to name just a few things. And that doesn't even brush the surface of conditionals! For the most part, with XPP, you set up these things and you just *know* it will work, and you don't have to keep going back to pages with your fingers crossed that something didn't go wonky.

If the learning curve is comparable, what else gets in the way of an XPP for everyone? Well, there is that little issue of price. And then there is the need to use structured markup (e.g., XML). In organizations with smaller scopes, these are significant obstacles. I find myself musing about an XPP time-share, or dare I say "open source XPP"!

One has to have dreams!

Best to all. Laurie Hagar
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  • Laurie,

    Thank you for taking the time to send this ode to XPP.

    (strangely enough 'ode' with exactly the same meaning is exactly the same word in Dutch)

     Very good to hear all of this. When using XPP all the time, one tends to take things for granted. And they are not...

    But you said the limiting factor for the spreading of this wonderful product is price.
    Now you dream about an open source version, but I strongly believe that there is a big market opportunity for a stripped down version of the XPP product (in my this product is called SDL PdfMaker) that competes in the same price range as Indesign Server or Antenna House or Prince XML or ....
    Because of the inherent capabilities of the XPP software would win in this market every time somebody is looking for a product that can turn his XML or HTML into PDF

    Oh and if you wonder what I mean by 'stripped' down here is a how I perceive things (again in my head):

    • blackbox only (with the xyview offered as an option)
    • xml only (get rid of all that old garbage!)
    • CSS/Javascript only (again throw out all that old garbage - and yes no Perl but JAVAVSCRIPT!)
    • PDFdirect only (no more postscript)
    • no backwards compatibility with the existing XPP software, jobs or styles: this is something NEW!
    • no XPP options: no looseleaf, no citi, no trace marking, no BLmerge, no nothing, just plain XPP stuff
    • very tiny footprint: just the new equivalent of toxsf, compose and divpdf and nothing more than that
    • offer xychange (but please name it transform!) as option with transform through XSLT2 and JavaScript

    This is (and has always been) a bit of a personal dream about the future of XPP.
    For many many years I have been talking with various people at SDL and Xyvision about creating an (what I called) XPP Light.
    I think that now the time has come to really do this.
    If this does not happen, we will continue to see a continuing reduced interest in XPP until it finally fades out and becomes no longer commercially viable.  

    If I had something to say about the future direction of this marvelous product, this would be the direction I would take!
    (unfortunately I having no say in those things...)

    Oh and one last thing: we miss you Laurie and I am sure that you miss all of us!
  • in reply to Bart Terryn
    Yes, this sounds like the right direction. (Not sure about jettisoning the xyview, but I'm sure you have thought this through.)

    The need to implement a structured content infrastructure could be a gating factor, but for those who are already there -- and who require good formatted output -- XPP Light is a no-brainer.

    Marketing would be a necessity: Getting the message out so that people know they need this and why.

    I did a highly unofficial survey on a LinkedIn group in which I participate, and while there is steady movement to digital only, the use of page-based formatted output persists.Also, from the searching I've done to try to achieve effects in InDesign, it's clear that a whole lot of people are originating content in Word, and then need to use an InDesign or comparable system to accomplish their formatting requirements. I will say that InDesign can get you a long way, but (a) it requires the same learning curve and management as XPP, and (b) I don't feel the solid "trust" as I do with XPP. You feel as if you need to keep going back and checking that something didn't break. (Of course, you do that when you're in style dev mode with XPP, but once past that, the confidence level is very high.)

    Let's hope someone is listening.
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  • in reply to Bart Terryn
    Yes, this sounds like the right direction. (Not sure about jettisoning the xyview, but I'm sure you have thought this through.)

    The need to implement a structured content infrastructure could be a gating factor, but for those who are already there -- and who require good formatted output -- XPP Light is a no-brainer.

    Marketing would be a necessity: Getting the message out so that people know they need this and why.

    I did a highly unofficial survey on a LinkedIn group in which I participate, and while there is steady movement to digital only, the use of page-based formatted output persists.Also, from the searching I've done to try to achieve effects in InDesign, it's clear that a whole lot of people are originating content in Word, and then need to use an InDesign or comparable system to accomplish their formatting requirements. I will say that InDesign can get you a long way, but (a) it requires the same learning curve and management as XPP, and (b) I don't feel the solid "trust" as I do with XPP. You feel as if you need to keep going back and checking that something didn't break. (Of course, you do that when you're in style dev mode with XPP, but once past that, the confidence level is very high.)

    Let's hope someone is listening.
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